Thank you Jeff Brown, Eric Arnow & Regis Tremblay for this excellent coverage of these western issues projected on to China. From my own many decades of Chinese friends, Zen listening & much not-knowing, I propose that the issue in popular understanding, oligarch control of western society & the solution is 'FRACTAL' ('fraction, multiplier, building-block, where-the-part-contains-the-whole'). I appreciate the way Jeff has posed China as an ancient CULTURE with many checks & balances within its system. I hope my following additions to your discourse might shine light on the roots of China & indeed the whole world's ancient culture, which underlie our ways of being, even when we have lost cultural memory through the violence of our fake oligarch issued 'money' (Greek 'mnemosis' = 'memory') system imposed for command & control over what was previously the worldwide time-based equivalency accounting of the String-shell Value system. I was pleased to hear Jeff talk about the system of 10 families, which emulates fractal design. Understanding the checks & balances of Fractal systems is essential to both personal & collective balanced living, which all humanity's worldwide indigenous ancestors refer to as the Circle-of-Life. Each part of the circle is a detailed ecology-economy. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/indigenous-circle-of-life
Most don't know that all humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') ancestors & 1st Nations in the Americas were organized in fractal systems. The ~100 person (50-150) Multihome-Dwelling-Complex (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village) enabled both privacy & proximity with intimate, intergenerational, female-male, interdisciplinary, critical-mass, economies-of-scale, where people at the fractal base of society were each & all very powerful through these ~100 person relations. 'Community' (L 'com' = 'together' + 'munus' = 'gift-or-service') thus was a very personal intimate expression of its individual, family, extended-family, Multihome, neighbourhood, city, region, nation, confederate & continental members.
Can we reimagine retail activity within the Multihome-Dwelling-Complexes (apartment, townhouse & village housing where 70% of humanity live today? 20% of Multihome-dwellers today, are living intentionally in proximity with their extended-families for social & economic collaboration in RELATIONAL-ECONOMY. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy
This model is ancient among all humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') ancestors on every continent, island & nation, where ~100 people living & working together was considered optimal. Today the average multihome is 32 dwelling units or ~100 people.
The multihome intimate, intergenerational, female-male, interdisciplinary, critical-mass, economies-of-scale advantage is often recognized by successful immigrant families, who buy their ~100 person multihome housing & begin business serving the family, neighbours & eventually large markets from this intimate home base. From a green or health perspective these families keep their healthy ecological traditions alive for subsequent generations. Communities with diverse talents catalogued, mapped & accounted-for, have far more capacity to INCLUDE & WELCOME each member & others for all of their gifts. Hence culturally we create the healing conditions & capacity for welcoming & inclusive living. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/extending-our-welcome-participatory-multi-home-cohousing
The problem with 'communism' starts before 1917. Jacob Schiff, the head of the New York Stock Exchange & founder of the US Federal Reserve financed Lev Davidovich Bronstein aka Leon Trotsky with millions of 1917 USD$ & his associate Warburg financed Lenin with millions to bring extreme violence to Russia's vibrant vast bottom-up 'community' movement. Trotsky & Lenin with western mercenaries from New York, arms & finances imposed a top-down centralized system of violence supported bureaucratic command & control which lasted 70 years. Refer to researcher Antony Sutton https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf Wall Street's millions of 1917 dollars are matched by imperial Germany's funding of Lenin Interview 20 min. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD_cJXOjYl8
I lived & worked the decade of the 1970s among Russian Doukhobor, German Mennonite & English Quaker communities in the West-Kootenays of British-Columbia as well as for 58 of my 69 years, have collaborated in economic solidarity with 1st Nations & indigenous people to understand that all our present fragmented fractured oligarch run systems are well-meaning but only pieces of humanity's many 10s of 1000s of years of integrated indigenous whole with vibrant ECONOMIC MEMORY. www.indigenecommunity.info/structure/3-economic-memory
Yes 7 billion people getting-our-shit-together & feeding our trees on ground between our buildings, rooftops. The greenery & productivity increase would solve human livelihood, food, materials, energy, water-cycle, climate-change & much more.
Thank you for a wonderful, informative, vastly interesting discussion. Am sending it on to those who would/should learn much from these revelations of the real China.
This is a fantastic discussion. I suspected as much about the allegations of ethnic cleansing. Interesting about the social credit system, which makes far more sense than Equifax in the US, which has always given me grief.
Thank you Jeff Brown, Eric Arnow & Regis Tremblay for this excellent coverage of these western issues projected on to China. From my own many decades of Chinese friends, Zen listening & much not-knowing, I propose that the issue in popular understanding, oligarch control of western society & the solution is 'FRACTAL' ('fraction, multiplier, building-block, where-the-part-contains-the-whole'). I appreciate the way Jeff has posed China as an ancient CULTURE with many checks & balances within its system. I hope my following additions to your discourse might shine light on the roots of China & indeed the whole world's ancient culture, which underlie our ways of being, even when we have lost cultural memory through the violence of our fake oligarch issued 'money' (Greek 'mnemosis' = 'memory') system imposed for command & control over what was previously the worldwide time-based equivalency accounting of the String-shell Value system. I was pleased to hear Jeff talk about the system of 10 families, which emulates fractal design. Understanding the checks & balances of Fractal systems is essential to both personal & collective balanced living, which all humanity's worldwide indigenous ancestors refer to as the Circle-of-Life. Each part of the circle is a detailed ecology-economy. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/indigenous-circle-of-life
Most don't know that all humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') ancestors & 1st Nations in the Americas were organized in fractal systems. The ~100 person (50-150) Multihome-Dwelling-Complex (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village) enabled both privacy & proximity with intimate, intergenerational, female-male, interdisciplinary, critical-mass, economies-of-scale, where people at the fractal base of society were each & all very powerful through these ~100 person relations. 'Community' (L 'com' = 'together' + 'munus' = 'gift-or-service') thus was a very personal intimate expression of its individual, family, extended-family, Multihome, neighbourhood, city, region, nation, confederate & continental members.
Can we reimagine retail activity within the Multihome-Dwelling-Complexes (apartment, townhouse & village housing where 70% of humanity live today? 20% of Multihome-dwellers today, are living intentionally in proximity with their extended-families for social & economic collaboration in RELATIONAL-ECONOMY. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy
This model is ancient among all humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') ancestors on every continent, island & nation, where ~100 people living & working together was considered optimal. Today the average multihome is 32 dwelling units or ~100 people.
The multihome intimate, intergenerational, female-male, interdisciplinary, critical-mass, economies-of-scale advantage is often recognized by successful immigrant families, who buy their ~100 person multihome housing & begin business serving the family, neighbours & eventually large markets from this intimate home base. From a green or health perspective these families keep their healthy ecological traditions alive for subsequent generations. Communities with diverse talents catalogued, mapped & accounted-for, have far more capacity to INCLUDE & WELCOME each member & others for all of their gifts. Hence culturally we create the healing conditions & capacity for welcoming & inclusive living. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/extending-our-welcome-participatory-multi-home-cohousing
The problem with 'communism' starts before 1917. Jacob Schiff, the head of the New York Stock Exchange & founder of the US Federal Reserve financed Lev Davidovich Bronstein aka Leon Trotsky with millions of 1917 USD$ & his associate Warburg financed Lenin with millions to bring extreme violence to Russia's vibrant vast bottom-up 'community' movement. Trotsky & Lenin with western mercenaries from New York, arms & finances imposed a top-down centralized system of violence supported bureaucratic command & control which lasted 70 years. Refer to researcher Antony Sutton https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf Wall Street's millions of 1917 dollars are matched by imperial Germany's funding of Lenin Interview 20 min. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD_cJXOjYl8
I lived & worked the decade of the 1970s among Russian Doukhobor, German Mennonite & English Quaker communities in the West-Kootenays of British-Columbia as well as for 58 of my 69 years, have collaborated in economic solidarity with 1st Nations & indigenous people to understand that all our present fragmented fractured oligarch run systems are well-meaning but only pieces of humanity's many 10s of 1000s of years of integrated indigenous whole with vibrant ECONOMIC MEMORY. www.indigenecommunity.info/structure/3-economic-memory
Thanks Douglas for all the thoughtful contextualization and hyperlinks.
Your indigene community site is great. I love the tree toilet!
Yes 7 billion people getting-our-shit-together & feeding our trees on ground between our buildings, rooftops. The greenery & productivity increase would solve human livelihood, food, materials, energy, water-cycle, climate-change & much more.
Thank you for a wonderful, informative, vastly interesting discussion. Am sending it on to those who would/should learn much from these revelations of the real China.
Thanks, Rob Roy. Regis and Eric are great to work with. They know so much. Jeff
This is a fantastic discussion. I suspected as much about the allegations of ethnic cleansing. Interesting about the social credit system, which makes far more sense than Equifax in the US, which has always given me grief.